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ChocolateLady 
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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 Posted - 07/23/2008 : 13:29:31
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| Well, well, well... I already like Barak Obama a whole lot more than George W Bush. Now I realise that isn't much of a complment but still, there's a huge difference for me. Obama is here in Israel and lo and behold, there are no road block and not sirens and no hullabloo. The two visits Bush made here in the past year practically shut the city down for hours on end. And with my offices being right across the street from the PM's offices and Knesset, I get the brunt of these things. |
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Beanmimo 
"August review site"
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Posted - 07/23/2008 : 13:34:51
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To be fair, Obama hasn't started a war. |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 07/23/2008 : 13:53:48
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| Yes, there is that, too. I guess I like about 99.9999999999999999% of the human race more than Bush for that reason alone. |
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Montgomery
"F**k!"
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Posted - 07/23/2008 : 17:48:32
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
Yes, there is that, too. I guess I like about 99.9999999999999999% of the human race more than Bush for that reason alone.
EM :) |
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turrell 
"Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh "
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Posted - 07/23/2008 : 19:16:09
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| Chocky whats the word on the proverbial streets about him having met with Mahmoud Abbas? Curious how that goes over amongst the average Israeli and not open minded US ex-pats like yourself. |
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Herky 
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Posted - 07/23/2008 : 23:16:44
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quote:
Originally posted by ChocolateLady
The two visits Bush made here in the past year practically shut the city down for hours on end.
Maybe it runs in the family. 
http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/013106/spo_2006013110.shtml
(It's the 11th or so paragraph down. One of the more infamous incidents from the first ever Super Bowl held in a cold weather city.)
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 07/24/2008 : 06:08:43
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Originally posted by turrell
Chocky whats the word on the proverbial streets about him having met with Mahmoud Abbas? Curious how that goes over amongst the average Israeli and not open minded US ex-pats like yourself.
Well, you do know that Abbas is a lame duck president, don't you? He is Fatah and the rest of his "government" are all Hamas. The main problem is, Israel has a better chance of making peace with Fatah but until the Hamas start to loosen their grip on Abbas and come over to his side when it comes to negotiations with Israel, we don't have much of a chance. Unfortunately, any peace that Fatah would have made with Israel would never be accepted by Hamas. It is exactly like Israel, in fact. As long as the Labor were running things, nothing concerning peace would have been accepted by the Likud (or whatever they're calling themselves today) - with the one exception being peace with Jordan, which happend when Rabin was PM (but they were extremely benign 'enemies' anyway and there were no land concessions with that). But peace with Egypt meant giving back the Sinai which Menachem Begin brokered, but it could never have happened with a left-wing PM. So, while I vote about as far to the left as humanly possible, I also know that if this country is ever going to have real peace, it is those who are the most staunchly prejudiced against the other side that must be the ones to hold out their hands.
Unfortunately, although Olmert is right-wing, he is also probably the least effective PM we've ever had, he hasn't got the balls that Ariel Sharon had, and its a waste of time to negotiate peace with him. With any luck, he'll be indited on these graft charges and we'll be rid of him (hopefully, because even though he promised to step down if he was indited, the guy is more into letting out the right types of sound bytes than listening to what his own words are saying).
Netanyahu is a marvelous PR man but he failed as a PM, so I doubt they'd allow him back. The only other person that might work would be Ehud Barak, but he's left-wing and the right-wingers will never forgive him for pulling out of Lebanon the way he did, even though it saved hundreds of lives and it wasn't his faulth that the idiots who came after him decided it was so quiet up there that they could drastically cut down intelligence gathering from there, which eventually blew up in our faces, and got us back into war with them.
But that's another discussion altogether!
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 07/24/2008 : 07:59:16
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Originally posted by Herky
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
The two visits Bush made here in the past year practically shut the city down for hours on end.
Maybe it runs in the family.
http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/013106/spo_2006013110.shtml
(It's the 11th or so paragraph down. One of the more infamous incidents from the first ever Super Bowl held in a cold weather city.)
This is what happens when self-aggrandization takes root in Texas.
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turrell
"Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh "
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Posted - 07/24/2008 : 14:45:38
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| Chocky- not bad for a Chicago kid (to our friends elsewhere its in Illinois - one of those flyover states when you are going from somewhere important to somewhere else important). |
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Barak Obama
