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 randall  "I like to watch."
 
 
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 BaftaBaby  "Always entranced by cinema."
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/10/2013 :  15:00:17     
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                      | Oscars 2013: Full list of nominees 
 Best film
 
 Amour
 Argo
 Beasts Of The Southern Wild
 Django Unchained
 Les Miserables
 Lincoln
 Life Of Pi
 Silver Linings Playbook
 Zero Dark Thirty
 
 Best actress
 
 Jessica Chastain - Zero Dark Thirty
 Jennifer Lawrence - Silver Linings Playbook
 Emmanuelle Riva - Amour
 Quvenzhane Wallis - Beasts of the Southern Wild
 Naomi Watts - The Impossible
 
 Best actor
 
 Daniel Day Lewis - Lincoln
 Bradley Cooper - Silver Linings Playbook
 Hugh Jackman - Les Miserables
 Joaquin Phoenix - The Master
 Denzel Washington - Flight
 
 Best director
 
 Michael Haneke - Amour
 Ang Lee - Life of Pi
 David O Russell - Silver Linings Playbook
 Steven Spielberg - Lincoln
 Benh Zeitlin - Beasts of the Southern Wild
 
 Best supporting actor
 
 Alan Arkin - Argo
 Robert De Niro - Silver Linings Playbook
 Tommy Lee Jones - Lincoln
 Christoph Waltz - Django Unchained
 Philip Seymour Hoffman - The Master
 
 Best supporting actress
 
 Amy Adams - The Master
 Sally Field - Lincoln
 Anne Hathaway - Les Miserables
 Helen Hunt - The Sessions
 Jacki Weaver - Silver Linings Playbook
 
 Best foreign film
 
 Amour
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 War witch
 A Royal Affair
 Kon-Tiki
 
 Best animated film
 
 Brave
 Frankenweenie
 Paranorman
 Pirates! Band of Misfits (UK title: Pirates! In an Adventure with Scientists)
 Wreck-it Ralph
 
 Best documentary film
 
 5 Broken Cameras
 The Gatekeepers
 How To Survive A Plague
 The Invisible War
 Searching For Sugarman
 
 Music (original song)
 
 Before My Time (Chasing Ice) - Music and Lyric by J. Ralph
 Everybody Needs A Best Friend (Ted) - Music by Walter Murphy, Lyric by Seth MacFarlane
 Pi's lullaby (Life Of Pi) - Music by Mychael Danna, Lyric by Bombay Jayashri
 Skyfall (Skyfall) - Music and Lyric by Adele Adkins and Paul Epworth
 Suddenly (Les Miserables) - Music by Claude-Michel Schonberg, Lyric by Herbert Kretzmer and Alain Boublil
 
 Music (original score)
 
 Anna Karenina - Dario Marianelli
 Argo - Alexandre Desplat
 Life Of Pi - Mychael Danna
 Lincoln - John Williams
 Skyfall - Thomas Newman
 
 Adapted screenplay
 
 Argo - Chris Terrio
 Beasts Of The Southern Wild - Lucy Alibar and Benh Zeitlin
 Life Of Pi - David Magee
 Lincoln - Tony Kushner
 Silver Linings Playbook - David O Russell
 
 Original screenplay
 
 Amour - Michael Haneke
 Django Unchained - Quentin Tarantino
 Flight - John Gatins
 Moonrise Kingdom - Wes Anderson and Roman Coppola
 Zero Dark Thirty - Mark Boal
 
 Cinematography
 
 Anna Karenina - Seamus McGarvey
 Django Unchained - Robert Richardson
 Life of Pi - Claudio Miranda
 Lincoln - Janusz Kaminski
 Skyfall - Roger Deakins
 
 Costume Design
 
 Anna Karenina - Jacqueline Durran
 Les Miserables - Paco Delgado
 Lincoln - Joanna Johnston
 Mirror Mirror - Eiko Ishioka
 Snow White and the Huntsman - Colleen Atwood
 
 Best documentary short subject
 
 Inocente
 Kings Point
 Mondays at Racine
 Open Heart
 Redemption
 
 Film editing
 
 Argo - William Goldenberg
 Life of Pi - Tim Squyres
 Lincoln - Michael Kahn
 Silver Linings Playbook - Jay Cassidy and Crispin Struthers
 Zero Dark Thirty - Dylan Tichenor and William Goldenberg
 
 Make-up and Hairstyling
 
 Hitchcock - Howard Berger, Peter Montagna and Martin Samuel
 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - Peter Swords King, Rick Findlater and Tami Lane
 Les Miserables - Lisa Westcott and Julie Dartnell
 
 Production Design
 
 Anna Karenina - Sarah Greenwood and Katie Spencer
 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - Dan Hennah, Ra Vincent and Simon Bright
 Les Miserables - Eve Stewart and Anna Lynch-Robinson
 Life Of Pi - David Gropman and Anna Pinnock
 Lincoln - Rick Carter and Jim Erickson
 
 Short film (animated)
 
 Adam and the Dog
 Fresh Guacamole
 Head Over Heels
 Maggie Simpson in The Longest Daycare
 Paperman
 
 Short film (live action)
 
 Asad
 Buzkashi Boys
 Curfew
 Death of a Shadow (Dood Van Een Schaduw)
 Henry
 
 Sound editing
 
 Argo - Erik Aadahl and Ethan van der Ryn
 Django Unchained - Wylie Stateman
 Life Of Pi - Eugene Gearty and Philip Stockton
 Skyfall - Per Hallberg and Karen Baker Landers
 Zero Dark Thirty - Paul NJ Ottosson
 
 Sound mixing
 
 Argo - John Reitz, Gregg Rudloff and Jose Antonio Garcia
 Les Miserables - Andy Nelson, Mark Paterson and Simon Hayes
 Life Of Pi - Ron Bartlett, DM Hemphill and Drew Kunin
 Lincoln - Andy Nelson, Gary Rydstrom and Ronald Judkins
 Skyfall - Scott Millan, Greg P Russell and Stuart Wilson
 
 Visual effects
 
 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - Joe Letteri, Eric Saindon, David Clayton and R Christopher White
 Life Of Pi - Bill Westenhofer, Guillaume Rocheron, Erik-Jan De Boer and Donald R Elliott
 Marvel's The Avengers (UK title: Marvel's Avengers Assemble) - Janek Sirrs, Jeff White, Guy Williams and Dan Sudick
 Prometheus - Richard Stammers, Trevor Wood, Charley Henley and Martin Hill
 Snow White and the Huntsman - Cedric Nicolas-Troyan, Philip Brennan, Neil Corbould and Michael Dawson
 
 
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 randall  "I like to watch."
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/10/2013 :  15:03:30     
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                      | Biggest shock: Directing noms. At least three others deserved it. |  
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 TitanPa  "Here four more"
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/10/2013 :  17:01:55     
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                      | Since Best Picture went to ten, Best Director should have as well. Im surprised Ben Affleck was snubbed. |  
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 GHcool  "Forever a curious character."
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/10/2013 :  18:18:27     
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                      | I haven't seen many of the nominated movies, so here are the categories I have an informed opinion about: 
 Best Supporting Actor
 Should Win: Tommy Lee Jones for Lincoln
 Shouldn't Win: Alan Arkin for Argo
 Who Was Snubbed: Jim Broadbent for Cloud Atlas
 
 Best Original Screenplay
 Should Win: Flight
 Shouldn't Win: Moonrise Kingdom
 Who Was Snubbed: ParaNorman
 
 Best Film Editing
 Should Win: Argo
 Shouldn't Win: Lincoln
 Who Was Snubbed: Cloud Atlas
 
 Best Visual Effects
 Should Win: Hobbit
 Shouldn't Win: Snow White and the Huntsman
 Who Was Snubbed: Cloud Atlas
 
 Best Score
 Should Win: Anna Karenina
 Shouldn't Win: Argo
 Who Was Snubbed: Frankenweenie
 
 Best Sound Mixing
 Should Win: Lincoln
 Shouldn't Win: Argo
 Who Was Snubbed: Hobbit
 
 I am a little surprised that Cloud Atlas did not even receive one nomination.  Surely it was one of the most ambitious films of the year and even though it didn't succeed as well as it might have, it deserves some recognition.  Lincoln did as well as I had hoped, though that was no surprise.  Anna Karenina and The Hobbit were two other ambitious, technically accomplished films that received the right nominations, though it might have been nice to see more for each.  The biggest surprise for me was Snow White and the Huntsman's two nominations.
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 randall  "I like to watch."
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/10/2013 :  21:16:54     
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                      | quote:Originally posted by TitanPA
 
 Since Best Picture went to ten, Best Director should have as well. Im surprised Ben Affleck was snubbed.
 
 
 Of course, there were many pics nommed without their directors back when it was five and five. And AMPAS has always been infamous for lifetime snubbing of celebrated directors like Kubrick and Hitchcock -- and, until very recently, Scorsese. Ben Affleck's agent undoubtedly had to remind him thusly upon this very day.
 
 I'm surprised about Affleck as well, also Bigelow and Hooper [though there's a backlash beginning against LES MIZ -- I believe as voting proceeds, the only lock to survive will be Anne Hathaway]. But especially Q, who got nommed for picture and screenplay, and riddle me this: how many currently working directors have placed their personal stamp so clearly on their flicks that you can guess the dir without a title card? Q is first on that list, which also MAYBE includes Scorsese, Spielberg, possibly Woody Allen, and weird outliers like David Lynch. If you like DJANGO, you liked the direction, AMPASers! They're not allergic: PULP FICTION won a screenwriting Oscar, but then, that was the only one which went to CITIZEN KANE as well.
 
 I should note that the largest bloc of Academy voters by far is actors. [I don't know how BAFTA skews. Do you, Baffy?]
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                      | Edited by - randall on 01/11/2013  00:17:53
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 BaftaBaby  "Always entranced by cinema."
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/11/2013 :  00:25:40     
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                      | quote:Originally posted by randall
 
 
 
 I should note that the largest bloc of Academy voters by far is actors. [I don't know how BAFTA skews. Do you, Baffy?]
 
 
 
 BAFTA has never invited many actors to its elite industry ranks. Traditionally it's been an Academy of behind-the-sceners, the craft sector. Only relatively recently [the past 2 or 3 decades]has there been an influx of publicity people, front office admin, and bottom-liners.
 
 Actors still are very under-represented. But then, there's always been a sad and widespread misunderstanding about what it is that actors actually do. And - with the emergence of rabid celebrity culture - what their qualifications might be.
 
 Personally, I was only invited to join for my work in media journalism, not as an actress.
 
 This ain't the place, but I have a lot of misgivings about the evolution of major film award ceremonies and what leads up to them. When all this year's season has become a memory - and, if you like, I'll share them with you.
 
 But thanks for asking!
 
 
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 Joe Blevins  "Don't I look handsome?"
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/11/2013 :  00:37:57     
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                      | I'll see most of these movies when the Best Picture Showcase rolls around, but I have to say the biggest -- and only -- surprise of the day for me was Amour, which got nominations in multiple high-profile categories. 
 I'm amazed that Michael Haneke has made a film which can be openly embraced by the notoriously timid and conservative Academy. Is the new film a radical change in style for him?
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 randall  "I like to watch."
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/11/2013 :  01:05:23     
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                      | quote:Originally posted by BaftaBabe
 
 
 quote:Originally posted by randall
 
 
 
 I should note that the largest bloc of Academy voters by far is actors. [I don't know how BAFTA skews. Do you, Baffy?]
 
 
 
 BAFTA has never invited many actors to its elite industry ranks. Traditionally it's been an Academy of behind-the-sceners, the craft sector. Only relatively recently [the past 2 or 3 decades]has there been an influx of publicity people, front office admin, and bottom-liners.
 
 Actors still are very under-represented. But then, there's always been a sad and widespread misunderstanding about what it is that actors actually do. And - with the emergence of rabid celebrity culture - what their qualifications might be.
 
 Personally, I was only invited to join for my work in media journalism, not as an actress.
 
 This ain't the place, but I have a lot of misgivings about the evolution of major film award ceremonies and what leads up to them. When all this year's season has become a memory - and, if you like, I'll share them with you.
 
 But thanks for asking!
 
 
 
 
 Can't tell from your post whether you think either more actors or more below-the-line [and off-the-line, like elite journalists such as yourself] peeps are more representative voters. I'd love to hear those misgivings to get it straight in my own mind after the whirl of awards season has passed. AMPAS is also heavily weighted below the line; the actors are only the single most prevalent voting bloc. I repeat: are you aware of similar stats re BAFTA?
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 BaftaBaby  "Always entranced by cinema."
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/11/2013 :  01:23:27     
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                      | quote:Originally posted by randall
 
 
 quote:Originally posted by BaftaBabe
 
 
 quote:Originally posted by randall
 
 
 
 I should note that the largest bloc of Academy voters by far is actors. [I don't know how BAFTA skews. Do you, Baffy?]
 
 
 
 BAFTA has never invited many actors to its elite industry ranks. Traditionally it's been an Academy of behind-the-sceners, the craft sector. Only relatively recently [the past 2 or 3 decades]has there been an influx of publicity people, front office admin, and bottom-liners.
 
 Actors still are very under-represented. But then, there's always been a sad and widespread misunderstanding about what it is that actors actually do. And - with the emergence of rabid celebrity culture - what their qualifications might be.
 
 Personally, I was only invited to join for my work in media journalism, not as an actress.
 
 This ain't the place, but I have a lot of misgivings about the evolution of major film award ceremonies and what leads up to them. When all this year's season has become a memory - and, if you like, I'll share them with you.
 
 But thanks for asking!
 
 
 
 
 Can't tell from your post whether you think either more actors or more below-the-line [and off-the-line, like elite journalists such as yourself] peeps are more representative voters. I'd love to hear those misgivings to get it straight in my own mind after the whirl of awards season has passed. AMPAS is also heavily weighted below the line; the actors are only the single most prevalent voting bloc. I repeat: are you aware of similar stats re BAFTA?
 
 
 
 Not sure those figures are broken down by blocs - I don't believe there are voting blocs as such - unless I'm not understanding what you mean by that.
 
 This BAFTA page explains about as much as I know about demographics. Don't have time right now to detail exact voting process -- in any case it's changed this year.
 
 Sorry, bedtime beckons ...
  
 
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 demonic  "Cinemaniac"
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/11/2013 :  06:22:36     
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                      | quote:Originally posted by Joe Blevins
 I'm amazed that Michael Haneke has made a film which can be openly embraced by the notoriously timid and conservative Academy. Is the new film a radical change in style for him?
 
 
 
 I'm pretty astonished by this too - it's a deserving nomination, of course, but I can't quite believe the Academy has put it on the same ticket as Silver Linings Playbook etc. It's a slightly different film for Haneke, less concerned with the threat of violence and his standard cool detachment, it's a true character study but no more comfortable a watch than Hidden or The White Ribbon because of the uncomfortable subject matter, presented unflichingly as he does so well. It's a big step for the Academy, for sure. It's a grown-up, important film amongst the many standard Hollywood glossies.
 
 This inclusion raises a big point for me. The change to 10 nominees bugged the hell out of me when they first tried it a couple of years ago, and it's still annoying me now. This year they couldn't even think of 10 worthy films, it's only 9, and Amour is duplicated on the Foreign Language Oscar, which seems a terrible waste given it will clearly win that latter category (and if it doesn't that suggests that whatever does should have been on the Best Picture ticket instead). If making the list 10 was all about giving twice as many deserving films the extra boost why not do exactly that??
 
 Another issue this raises is the suggestion that Amour is special enough to leap across from Foreign Language to Best Picture. Can anyone tell me when this has happened before? To my mind it makes the Foreign category something of a joke, as if every film nominated for Best Picture is automatically better than the films nominated each year for Foreign Language (obviously not the case). I think these categories should be separate and remain separate, and the Best Picture nominees should go back to five.
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                      | Edited by - demonic on 01/11/2013  16:48:33
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 randall  "I like to watch."
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/11/2013 :  06:28:24     
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                      | quote:Originally posted by BaftaBabe
 
 
 quote:Originally posted by randall
 
 
 quote:Originally posted by BaftaBabe
 
 
 quote:Originally posted by randall
 
 
 
 I should note that the largest bloc of Academy voters by far is actors. [I don't know how BAFTA skews. Do you, Baffy?]
 
 
 
 BAFTA has never invited many actors to its elite industry ranks. Traditionally it's been an Academy of behind-the-sceners, the craft sector. Only relatively recently [the past 2 or 3 decades]has there been an influx of publicity people, front office admin, and bottom-liners.
 
 Actors still are very under-represented. But then, there's always been a sad and widespread misunderstanding about what it is that actors actually do. And - with the emergence of rabid celebrity culture - what their qualifications might be.
 
 Personally, I was only invited to join for my work in media journalism, not as an actress.
 
 This ain't the place, but I have a lot of misgivings about the evolution of major film award ceremonies and what leads up to them. When all this year's season has become a memory - and, if you like, I'll share them with you.
 
 But thanks for asking!
 
 
 
 
 Can't tell from your post whether you think either more actors or more below-the-line [and off-the-line, like elite journalists such as yourself] peeps are more representative voters. I'd love to hear those misgivings to get it straight in my own mind after the whirl of awards season has passed. AMPAS is also heavily weighted below the line; the actors are only the single most prevalent voting bloc. I repeat: are you aware of similar stats re BAFTA?
 
 
 
 Not sure those figures are broken down by blocs - I don't believe there are voting blocs as such - unless I'm not understanding what you mean by that.
 
 This BAFTA page explains about as much as I know about demographics. Don't have time right now to detail exact voting process -- in any case it's changed this year.
 
 Sorry, bedtime beckons ...
  
 
 
 
 Sorry, I should have used the term "branch" rather than "bloc." AMPAS also has about 6,000 members, divided into 15 "branches," the most populous of which is the Actors Branch.
 
 http://www.oscars.org/academy/history-organization/branches.html
 
 Don't bother to "detail exact voting process" on my account -- it's not germane.
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                      | Edited by - randall on 01/11/2013  06:31:33
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 BaftaBaby  "Always entranced by cinema."
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/11/2013 :  10:11:42     
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                      | quote:Originally posted by randall
 
 
 Sorry, I should have used the term "branch" rather than "bloc." AMPAS also has about 6,000 members, divided into 15 "branches," the most populous of which is the Actors Branch.
 
 http://www.oscars.org/academy/history-organization/branches.html
 
 Don't bother to "detail exact voting process" on my account -- it's not germane.
 
 
 
 Ah - sorry for not twigging! In any case - there IS NO actors chapter/branch/bloc whatever. Which is one of the reasons I think the whole process needs re-visiting. At some later date!!!!
   
 
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 randall  "I like to watch."
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/11/2013 :  12:10:11     
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                      | The reason it's significant in AMPAS's case is that nominations in most categories are done by the various branches: actors nominate the actors, directors nominate the directors, etc. [Everybody noms Best Picture and votes for the final awards in all categories.] 
 The LA Times recently did a survey, which has been poo-poohed by some, showing that AMPAS is overwhelmingly white and old [once you're invited in, the membership is for life; some voting members haven't worked in decades], which helps account for its stodgy reputation as cited by Joe, and may be why older helmers don't cotton to, say, QT [I felt his omission as dir was the most egregious blunder] as much as the contemporary audience does.
 
 That said, the only Oscar I really care about this year is Doc. SUGAR MAN must win, even though its sweet, altruistic subject might say, "it's an honor just to be nominated."
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 randall  "I like to watch."
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/11/2013 :  20:06:16     
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                      | Um, Baffy, I just went back and read the BAFTA noms which you posted. So, my darling, what are "Chapter members"? |  
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 w22dheartlivie  "Kitty Lover"
 
 
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                      |  Posted - 01/11/2013 :  21:06:05     
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                      | Well, I've been quite vocal on my thoughts on the huge snub dealt the inimitable John Hawkes for The Sessions, which left me aghast at the embrace of awards hater Joaquin Phoenix, who is apparently going for the Marlon Brando bloc of voters, or perhaps he's counting on the Scientology bloc? I have my favorites, 'tis true, and from that, I can't help but root now for Daniel Day-Lewis, who actually tugged at my Abraham Lincoln-loving heartstrings and made me cry at the trailer shown on oscar.go.com. Although I know she's not the favorite, I'll root for Naomi Watts for The Impossible and back the favorite Anne Hathaway. My favorites really seem to circulate around those who made the biggest physical sacrifices, I think. Alas, I still have a month or so to catch what I've not yet seen. |  
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